My apologies if this topic is already covered but I did not find an existing post. I am about to purchase a 2018 Karma Revero and very curious about what I do not know. Does anyone have anything to share about their experience with Karma as a company, service, maintenance / ownership costs, and potential "gotchas" that should be considered into cost of ownership. Any thoughts are appreciated.
After reading posts here I can tell you one thing. Make sure you have a great relationship with your dealership!
I don't mean to be salty, but Karma barely maintain customer relationship platform such as this forum, their support phone number has reduced business hours...
Also keep in mind you are "one" owner, where you dealership is a banner and purchase multiple cars.
Thanks for the advice. I am also considering the BMW i8 (and a few other non-electrics) and customer service is a major factor. I was hoping that Karma being a small and newcomer to the market would help in that area, but I'm not sure.
Fx2FilmDave I have driven both and owned both, as many flaws and quirks as the Karma can have it's nothing compared to the i8.
That said the i8 has better quality control.
Revero GT and GS-6 are as fast with four doors.
You can actually daily drive a Revero, forget about the i8.
i8 has had more software upgrade during my ownership than the Revero.
Both 3 cyl engine sounds bad, no matter what BMW tried with the sound through the speakers and Karma through the "custom" exhaust they both sound c**ppy.
The good news is with the Revero you will actually do 60-65 miles on battery during normal drive, my i8 would only do 25-30.
The Revero GT - GS-6 support Level-3 charge.
Design wise the Karma is timeless, the i8 not so much, it's starting to show it's age for some reason.
BoudahXL thanks for the input. Especially about the i8 daily driver view. Neither will be a daily commute car for me as I work from home, but having said that I do want something I can drive for local errands or long trips if I desire. After all, why have an exotic if I'm not going to drive it.
Regarding the Karma and the quirks. I do not mind quirks as long as they get fixed. Was it anything major or all minor things Karma took care of?
Fx2FilmDave Quirks as in driver profile is linked to the key, so no driver 1-2 button, which can be a bummer if your wife unlock the door which would enable say her profile, then you would have to either:
-Get out of the car lock-unlock
-Go in the console interface settings and switch settings
When I say quirks I mean things like that, there are many on both the i8 and the Karma.
One good example on the i8 is that there are no large air vent-ducts at the front of the car so during hot days you will see heat distortion coming up your hood when you drive in the city... The butterfly doors are made in such a way that they actually requires more space between cars when you park to open the door, this was an issue in my house garage, my passenger had to get out before I parked inside.
I have to go to my dealership in a week or two to have them review the door/window seal on the passenger side as it bleed sound from outside on the highway.
I'll keep you posted.
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BoudahXL Thank you. That is all valuable input and exactly the type I was seeking. The most valuable to me being the doors opening because while test driving I noticed the door space required and thought "how do you get in if someone parks too close" (which we all know happens more than we like) ... that can be a huge problem since I'm 6'3" didn't see another option to get in. Bummer, one of the coolest features of the car is also one of the major deal killers.
Fx2FilmDave I'm 6' and it's a chore to get in and out of my i8 which I sold last summer. I have a 911s 2017, BMW M6 2012 and Maserati GT 2012.
And so far the BMW M6 is the easiest one to get in and out. That said I test drove an F-Type in 2017 and it was as easy as a regular car to get in and out! My Vantage 2019 comes second in that respect!
The Revero GT or GS-6 are not easy to get in-out, not as bad as the i8 but still harder than a 911, and the reason is at 6'+ you will have to lower the seat to the lowest setting to have a comfortable sitting position.
If you were 5'7" it wouldn't be an issue, I had a similar problem with Quadrofoglio because of the B pillar this time...
BoudahXL you continue to be the perfect source of knowledge on the right topics. You're right, at 6' 3" there are not a lot of fun cars out there for us. Now ... you hit a very good topic with the Maserati GranTurismo .... that's been on my list as well - very hight on my list because I fit so comfortably. How have you found that car for maintenance and overall ownership? That simply seems like one that is a no-brainer.
Great question, Models before 2012 of the Maserati GT will not have seats to accomodate a 6'+ person, the 2013-2019 are fine.
Now maintenance... Just grab one of those after market warranty, seriously.
Unless you plan on doing some of that maintenance yourself.
Problem is with Maserati, they use "regular" components but they either rebrand or just change minor things and you end up paying premium for things that shouldn't be scary.
One example is cabin filter, 95$-150$ at your dealership, 12$ on Amazon (Chinese provider)
Another thing is anything related to suspension and transmission is going to cost you an arm and leg, I hear they are full 3rd party replacement kits for the suspension.
2013+ use regular ZF transmission shouldn't an issue right? Well it's transaxle so you are going to face custom layout and programs so you will have to fallback on a Maserati shop $$$
Plus the infotainment system suck.
But you know what? I Just love this car!!!
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Good morning. Thank you for the link. Again, valuable information.